Yves: just chatting

Hello and welcome to

Episode 27 of Yves - Just Chatting.

And in today's episode, we are going

to talk about the

topic: passion versus money

in your job choice.

And this came basically

out of several discussions

I had lately on

management boards and during travel

with other business owners, et cetera.

And one part of the discussion was,

why is it that we have

so many discussions lately

around the amount of hour,

the amount of time everybody

has to work or wants to work, or

basically how people participate

in the work life system?

And whilst it's totally

clear that people have the idea

that they ideally don't want

to waste too much of their time

at the workplace, the question is,

is the workplace then the wrong place

to be in the first place?

So when I look back at

the beginning of my career,

and I said this already in

a short TikTok video a while

ago where I said when I

basically finished school,

two of the options I was looking into

is to whether I either run

into a career in the IT space

or whether I would

actually become a pilot.

Those of you who

follow me, by now I actually

fulfill both of them.

But back in the days, I was basically

in the evaluation

scenario with Lufthansa.

Back in those days, it was

actually still the scenario

that Lufthansa would

cover all your educations you

needed to have as a pilot.

And a pilot at Lufthansa was

actually quite a decent job.

Nowadays, I'm not sure if I would want

to be an airline traffic pilot anymore.

A lot of my friends

actually are charter pilots.

So they fly for

private airline companies.

They fly as individual pilots for people

who need them from time to time.

So similar to, for example, what I do.

So there are certain conditions where I

just don't want to fly

alone or where just my

rating is not high enough.

So then I'm going to

actually hire one of them.

So I have pretty good insights into that.

Back in those days, I was basically not

chosen by Lufthansa in

the first round, which

was not a big deal basically for me

because my other

passion getting a job in IT

was actually felt like being

higher on my wish list anyway.

It was more that more or

less my parents back then

had a bit of an idea

that maybe having a real job

would make more sense

and being self-employed.

I mean, both of them were

self-employed by themselves

before and had their

own little architecture

firm in the building industry.

And they primarily did

industrial buildings.

And so they looked at

me and said, it's like,

why don't you pursue your

career in the pilot scenario?

That is primarily why I

choose the career path then

and actually went to the trial exam.

And it was also quite an interesting idea

to just actually try

out the test scenario

and figure out if that

could actually be my scenario.

As I said in the other

video, I was not chosen.

So I ended up actually

pursuing my career in the IT industry.

And whilst I was doing

that career setting in the IT

industry, again, I

first looked into getting

a normal senior education

or degree in that space.

But very early on, I figured out it's not

necessarily giving me

what I was looking for.

So I did my civil

service back in the days.

And then from the civil service out,

I started what now has

become convolutional role

these years.

And so from that perspective,

I went the, let's say, easier--

or not the easier, but the pathway,

which actually went to

the career I wanted to have.

And especially due to the fact that--

especially when you start your

career in being self-employed

or something like

that, it's not always easy.

You're not

necessarily immediately getting

to the point where you

can pursue the career

and the way you want to have it to be.

And from time to time, I

also was in the position

that I had to take on

jobs in that career, which

were not necessarily my passion, but

helped me to basically

survive in that time

scenario and basically survive

in that job scenario.

And I did that at any point in time

because I knew that this was my passion.

And because it was my passion, it never

felt very hard to

actually work extra hours

or to do something extra

because it actually helped

me pursue my career.

Many other people, which I met over the

years in that career

or in that industry,

also did similar things.

So that is potentially

why so many people also

in more senior roles in IT

get confused when people say,

it's like, hey, I want

to have all the education

during the work time.

I don't want to actually go

the extra mile or anything

like that.

And especially in IT, you

constantly need to be learning.

Or you will be stuck

with a certain level,

and you can't actually

move on, which might be fine

for some people.

But what I have learned, if you really

want to achieve something

more or something better,

then you constantly

need to educate yourself

and be up to speed at a higher pace.

And that requires that

you take your passion

and actually utilize that for yourself.

And when we look at the

fact the past couple of years,

the interesting part is

that people are more and more

complaining that they must go to work,

that on Mondays they are

already pursuing the Friday.

In a different interview, I don't

remember who said that lately.

But basically, when you

look at current radio stations

and stuff like that, they start

celebrating the weekend already

on Thursdays.

It's one more day than it's weekend.

And this clearly made me think, are

people really pursuing

what their real passion is?

Or are they just doing

the job for the money

so that they have the money

to spend the time for what they

are really passionate about?

So for example, I'm

really passionate about flying

airplanes.

And so I try to actually

do that as much as I can

and try to combine that with my job

wherever possible as well.

But I think this is something you really

need to think about when

you're choosing your career path

is not necessarily just going by the fact

in which industry or where

can you make the most money.

When I see candidates also applying

for jobs in our scenario, I

see very often people come

and have very high ideas

on where they want to be.

And they have a very high demand is

that they want to

achieve certain scenarios.

But when you start talking to them

and start discussing

about how do you envision

that you are going to get there,

and then you hear very

often that people are expecting

that someone is

bringing all of that to you.

And I think this is not

how this works in the end.

The most successful

people I have been working with

in the last over 20 years

in my professional career

is those people which--

thank you, greetings back--

those people who actually are in it

from a passionate perspective.

You can take very--

the top high grade people.

And we don't need to

discuss whether you're actually

like what they are doing

from a business perspective

or something else.

But a very good scenario

is, for example, is Elon Musk.

Because one of the things which he did

is when he acquired

Twitter, which now is X,

and is your name Yves or Yves Sender?

No, my name is just Yvesll.

Yves Sandfort.

Sandfort is my last name.

When you look at the

career path of Elon Musk,

or exactly what I just described,

the scenario just

after he bought Twitter,

he basically got back on a plane,

flew back to SpaceX to

work on an engine problem.

Whereas others might

have said, it's like,

no, you need to celebrate.

You need to do all these things.

I mean, he is celebrating things as well.

But when you look at it, he's so

passionate about all the things

he does and all the

companies he's working with that

is his top priority.

And he does never really complain

about any of these things.

Or if you take other leaders, it doesn't

need to be that big of a

scenario like Jeff Bezos

or Elon Musk.

But many of these leaders who have

created these companies

have done that out of a passion scenario.

When now people are saying, it's like,

yeah, they have so much

money, they don't need

to worry about it anymore.

When you go through their life and when

you look at the different

stages with the companies,

there were times where they

basically had nothing anymore,

where they didn't even

know how to purchase the food

for the next week or something like that.

And it's very, very easy always in the

aftermath to say that.

But the very, very common scenario

you see on many successful people

is because they were passionate.

And when you look at people like that

and when you look at the current time,

there are so many opportunities nowadays

on what you can do in your job.

When I was young,

there was no real option

to become a

professional gamer, for example.

You couldn't actually

make a living out of the fact

to play computer games.

Nowadays, you can

actually make good money with it.

There was just a story about someone

who lost an account with 100,000, which

was worth 100,000 of US

dollars, a professional esports gamer.

And when you look at that, you can easily

make a living out of that.

When we look at the

complete content creator industry,

you can make a living out

of telling other people how

to live as a digital nomad.

You can make a living out of the fact

that you actually explain

people's specific buildings

or trains or other things is you just

need to be passionate

about it and you should not

give up very early.

And then you can actually

make in these modern days,

you can basically make a

living out of whatever job

you are thinking about.

But the important part for that is you

need to take the step.

You potentially also

need to go to many downs

before you actually get there.

But the good part is also nowadays

is we are living in a time

and an industry scenario,

and not only in IT, in

many other industries as well,

where you can basically

build up your own style of living

and your own style of work

the way you want to have it.

And if that actually

demands that you're only

going to work 20

hours a week, that's fine.

But also don't

underestimate how much time people

in this content

creator world, for example,

are investing into it.

I had a wonderful advantage to meet

several high rollers

in that specific market.

And many of them will tell

you is how many hours per week

they are working.

But at the same point in

time, they will tell you,

but I can finally do

what I love as my job.

And I think this is what

everybody should go back to.

So if you feel basically

burned out in your daily job,

if you feel that every

week is just actually--

you hate the week

already on Sunday or Monday,

which is going to

start, then potentially you

should look into what

exactly would be your passion.

What do you want to make money with?

And there are certainly limitations.

So for example, I'm

definitely not the sports guy.

So trying to pursue a career as a

professional football player

would not necessarily make any sense.

However, there are

many, many other choices.

So for example, I could

actually do background stories

potentially and create

content in that specific case.

I could figure out other

roles and possibilities

to be near to that job role

and make a living out of that.

So even though you might be

physically limited that you

cannot necessarily achieve

the job you are looking for,

there are many other

options out there available.

And as I said, nothing stops you from--

no one says you need to

completely drop your existing

job and give that one

completely up and just start

with a new career as you want to do that.

You could actually start

that as a site business,

especially when your

scenario is about doing something

with content.

Or I mean, there are enough people

who actually create products.

If it's about that you

have a great product idea,

for example, there have never

been easier times where you can

actually just build a product idea

than find someone in a different country

to produce that good

for you, and then you

can start selling it.

The whole drop

shipment scenario is something

where I know enough people

who made very good money out

of that.

So there are so many different options

on what you could do to

finally pursue your career.

That it's just a matter in the end

is you need to just get started.

And I think that's

the most important part.

And when you speak, for example, to

people like Gary Vee

is a perfect scenario who says, hey, even

if you are in your 40s,

you can still actually build

a career you want to have.

And you still can actually do that.

And clearly, there are dependencies

on in which country you are living

and which opportunities you have based

on that specific country.

So when we look at it,

for example, in Germany

is the safety net your

worst case falling back into

is not actually that bad.

I mean, yes, you're not actually going

to live a high-roller life anymore,

but you can actually get away very good.

When you look at other

countries, for example, in the US,

it's a totally different beast.

You don't want to

completely fall off the scenario.

But let's say you

have a 40-hours work job.

And if you pursue

your passion, let's say,

20, 30 hours a week--

and again, it's your passion.

It's something you

potentially do anyway already

or you like doing--

then you can actually start

building up that site business

because it's going to

take time, especially

when you're talking about doing something

in the content space.

It's going to take quite a while.

On the other side, you could also

become so passionate about your topic

that you are going to create a book.

In modern times,

also, again, it has never

been easier to actually

start getting into writing

because you can use

additional AI tools to help you

find print or find work your words.

I'm not saying it's like,

don't go into an AI engine

and let the AI engine

write your complete book

because there are all

kinds of IP scenarios

which haven't been clarified so far.

And on top of that, it's not your book.

But if you're, for

example, going to go ahead

and write your own book

about a specific topic,

and you did that after you have created a

certain set of content

around yourself, there is a high chance

that people are going to buy

your book or read your book.

That, again, might open other doors

so that you could

actually become a speaker

or a moderator or something else.

So there are so many options which

would have been never open in the past

before that it's

actually the wrong scenario

that you are going to just stay in the

situation you are in.

So as said, it's like

the times have never

been easier to do that.

And once you're

basically in your passionate job,

the question for me is, why do you

stick then with your other job?

Maybe your other job is

giving you a higher salary.

But the question is, in the

end, are you going to be happy?

If you are starting

every week on a Monday

just hoping for the weekend so that you

can work on your

passion, then I would say

that's not the way to go.

So when it comes down to a scenario

on how to change your

life or how to become

or how to get the job you

are finally going to have,

then it's not going to go or it's not

going to work without investing time.

So as we are going--

oopsie, I'll do something here on TikTok

because there was an

issue with the session.

So as we are moving through

this and as you are actually

looking into this, it's

never going to be successful

if you don't invest the time.

So if it's something

you're passionate about,

then you can start and actually you

need to define how many

hours per week, for example.

Am I willing to invest into this to get

to that dream scenario

that you can actually earn

the living out of your passion?

And then you stick to it.

And then you stay with

it for a longer period

to finally achieve

what you are looking for.

And as I said, it's like

if you want to achieve this,

you need to be

passionate and steady with it.

For example, when you

speak to content creators,

they will tell you it will take you

hundreds of videos, text

posts, and everything else before you

will see the slightest

trek in it.

And that's going to be

an interesting story.

There are people currently asking about

VMware by Broadcom licenses.

I will try to take them offline later on,

but not in this session because it

currently doesn't fit into it.

A very good introduction in here is

customers heavily asking for good

services.

If you are good in service, that's it.

That's a perfect scenario.

Besides being able to

do things at the moment,

there has never been a better time to be

in any kind of customer service.

Because whether it is retail industry,

whether it is hotel,

so anything around,

guest relations, et cetera,

there has never been a better

time to be in guest services

and in customer services in general

because so many companies lack of that.

So for example, I had a

discussion a few days ago

about the German automotive industry.

And in that discussion, one of the points

which I raised is I'm basically,

I have stepped away from most of the

German brands from a car perspective

many years ago, not

because I don't like the brands.

I would still say that from a

manufacturing perspective,

most of the German brands are superior

across things like Tesla or others.

But the customer service

is just a horrible scenario.

And then when you look at that,

this is something which

people are willing to pay for.

And this is the same when you are looking

into customer services in general.

People are willing to pay very good

amounts of money for

very good service by now.

So whether it is

clothing industry, for example,

or other things of the retail industry,

I know enough people who actually utilize

personal shoppers for them

were pre-creating the

shopping experience for them

or who are working with the brands to

actually get the scenario.

Because these people don't want to spend

the time in a shop to be badly treated.

And this is more or less exactly the same

what you see in many,

many other industries.

People are willing to pay for others

providing services to save them time.

It could be something like ghostwriting.

So if you don't have ideas on writing,

but you actually like the idea of

writing, you could do that.

There are people who just make a living

out of writing product reviews.

So there are so many different options

that are going to help you.

Here is a message on TikTok.

Advice for a startup, don't do products,

do individual projects with good money.

Yes and no.

So yes, if you are

starting with one or two people,

then most likely you are very much better

off in actually doing projects for

individual customers.

This is what we started with in with

comdivision as well.

But when it grows, you need to actually

change from the

individual projects into products.

A product could actually be a packaged

service, for example.

Like in our case, if I go back

to what we do in comdivision,

it is, for example, that we package a

design scenario for a

specific type of deployment.

So we have a standard

package which we can actually sell

and then we provide the services and

everything else around it.

So there are multiple

ways on how to address that.

But you need to have a plan to move your

startup out of the individual projects

into the product scenario.

Because the problem is individual

projects do not scale

at one point in time.

You will see. And this is, for example,

the biggest challenge a lot of companies

in the services industry have.

Yeah, so same advice after one or two

years with the

necessary customer experience,

move more into the product space.

That's exactly the pathway. So the

typical sizing are if you start off your

typically sales employed,

it's very good to very early on try to

figure out which additional resources you

need so that you can

focus on your passion.

Because, again, if you're starting

self-employed or with

a very small company,

you will very early figure out that there

is a hell of a lot of things you have to

do around that from a

back office perspective,

which is not necessarily the fun part.

Dealing with taxes, dealing with legal

things, dealing with

all kinds of other things,

finding other people who are really

passionate about that and who can take

over these things is very important.

And then the next stage is actually

building products out of your services

and actually package them.

What you also need to be aware of if you

are building your own company out of it

and if you're building your

own company out of these ideas

is that in the end, none of them are

going to ever do it the same

way as Gary V. typically says.

It's not their company, they are

employees. And that is another scenario

you need to be well aware of as your

business or your idea or your system or

something else grows.

You will have other people involved. And

these other people are not necessarily

going to make it the way you have been

doing it in the past.

And they might have a different passion

around that and a different scenario.

I spoke to a content creator. She was

actually building a

specific content blog for years.

And now she finally has a video producer

and a few other people around that.

And the biggest challenge for her was

that she had basically was saying is

initially I thought I was much quicker.

And then once I started to have other

people do the job of doing the

post-production, subscription

ending and all these things,

it took them nearly the same amount as

before. So it takes quite a while to

actually get to the point

that this is done differently.

Because as you are doing jobs passionate,

you don't necessarily always are that

honest to yourself of how much time

you're spending on specific tasks.

And so you say it's like doing a

transcript on the video is just five

minutes for that video.

In the end, it's it's much more time when

you're honest to start up accelerators or

public funding helps a lot in Germany.

Yes and no. You need to be very, very,

very, very, very careful with these types

of scenarios and approaches.

While they are very helpful in the first

place, it's also something you in many

cases, you either are giving up shares or

you need to actually pay back that money

at one point in time.

And this is something where I have seen

many people struggle over time as well.

The other scenario is, yes, from a

network perspective, there is a lot of

people out there who are great mentors

and who are willing to help.

And many of them are not necessarily in

it for the money. Yes, some of them want

to have some shares or something else.

But this is also to have a stick in the

game. It might make sense because if you

are giving advice to someone where you

have nothing to lose from that

perspective, it's not

necessarily a good idea.

But if you want to find a good mentor or

something like that, in many cases, you

just have to ask is it's that simple.

Many of the people which I had over my

career pass over all these years, which

gave me advice or anything else,

were people not necessarily always

complete mentors, but those were people

which are just asked.

I picked up the phone. I made an

appointment and I asked and

that blew my network as well.

Nowadays, I have a fantastic network,

especially when it

comes to the IT industry.

I know many sea levels from some of the

largest IT companies over the years.

I met them personally and there is a much

more personal relationship.

So you can pick up the

phone and actually talk to them.

And in many cases, it's not about the

that you talk to them to actually get

something, which is the biggest mistake,

which I see very many people do with

their network is you don't ping the CEO

of a very large company

just to ask for money or hey,

can't you give me this and that contract

or hey, we have a marketing

task and you talk to the CEO.

It's like, hey, couldn't my marketing

agency do something for you?

It's not that simple. Corporate world is

far more complex from that perspective.

But if you ask them for introductions, if

you ask them to extend your network, if

they if you ask them for any other

advice, you very often will get that.

And that is an important fact, is

learning what you have your network for

and how to utilize the network.

I was, for example. In

the last couple of weeks.

Challenged with a few scenarios where I

had to do some things, especially for our

U.S. corporations, where I needed advice

from more local people and I needed help

to actually get a few

problems solved within the U.S.

And that was very much straightforward

because I more or less, again, picked up

the phone use, man, it works and.

Talk to people about the challenges we

currently face and those were not memory

money related or anything like that.

Those were really more structural and how

to work through certain legal scenarios.

And all of a sudden, I had several people

give me different advice to set me up

with a different network and all of the

sudden you could actually do that.

And here is a comment. I don't ping the

CEO of my own company

without a very solid reason.

Yes, I know. But yes, that's true. But

when it comes to your network, then you

should always think about that.

You should never be ashamed to ask anyone

for help. So and to reach out to them if

you want to have advice.

Sometimes you cannot get the advice from

people who are on a different level.

And it's interesting that my experience

over all these years, especially those

sea levels who have come through the very

all the levels of the company or were

initially starting the company or helping

with starting the

company and stuff like that.

All of them are very helpful if you need

them and if you want to talk to them.

And so this is actually one of the things

which I try to do in many geos when I get

into a country or

when I get into an area.

I typically take my LinkedIn or other

network services and look up interesting

people I want to meet in that area.

And then I try either direct, try to

reach them direct or try to reach them

through other people

from the perspective.

Good. But coming back to job choice,

money versus passion, because that was

the topic of today's session.

So the most important part is when we

when we try to sum it up is if you are

already on a Monday or Tuesday thinking

about when is the next weekend again,

then you're most likely in the wrong job.

And even if it pays you good money, I

mean, maybe take that good money to work

on your passion and figure out how the

passion you have about your job is or not

about your job, how the passion you are

living for could actually become a job.

So whatever you do and whatever you like

in your spare time, which gives you the

power again to do your work job on a

Monday morning again, is something you

should try to figure out is like, how

could I build a real job out of it?

And as you are looking into that, maybe

start playing around with different ways

on how you can actually approach that.

The only important notice which I give

everybody always is if this becomes a

side business or anything else,

especially when it when it potentially

collides with your daily job, speak to

your current employer about it.

Otherwise, you couldn't get into more or

less serious trouble. And they might

actually build all kinds of roadblocks in

your way once you actually want to start

leaving the company or do something else.

So the more open you discuss it, the

better. And what I have seen is also is

people of the years, people who actually

asked me for help on how to get into a

different role or something else.

Once they started to talk in their own

company about their real passion and what

they wanted to do, some of them even

found within their own company, people

who were supporting them and actually

doing that, what they

love for their passion.

And actually, they could actually move

their job role and do that as their

primary job. So that's perfectly it.

Without passion, no success with your own

business. Yes, very important point.

I made several videos lately about that

is if you're not passionate about what

you are doing, especially as a

self-employed, you can

certainly make good money.

I once said there is a limit somewhere, I

would say somewhere between 250 to 500 K

is going to be the magical limit.

You will not get above that limit no

matter what you do if you are not

passionate about your job.

That's at least my experience. There

might be exceptions from that.

But even getting to that limit is very

difficult. And so if you want to build

something for yourself, you should never

do that for money because

that's never going to work well.

It's the same when I talk to people who

say, it's like, I want to do this

business idea because I

want to make the money.

Clearly, there are serial entrepreneurs,

et cetera. But the majority of the cases,

they are solving human beings problems

and they are not actually doing that in

the first place to quickly make cash.

Certainly, there are some who are doing

that, but that's not

the primary scenario.

You need to believe in it. You need to be

passionate about it.

And that's by the way, also good advice

if you're seeking for funding.

Because when I see funding rounds and

people tell me, hey, one of the questions

I always like to ask is

like, what's your plan B and C?

And if I then see that people give me a

very long explanation for their plan B,

C, D, E whatsoever, and especially when I

then also get the feeling that they are

very passionate about that, I would not

advise anyone to invest to them because

people need to be

willing to give up everything.

And then they are going to fight for

their idea. And that's the highest chance

that this startup will

be very, very successful.

Another comment we just got, I realized

management isn't for me. And so I got

back into coding and consulting.

That's another good example is as you are

pursuing your passion, you might figure

out that your passion is not actually

what your passion looked like.

It felt like and this is typically where

people confuse different roles and

positions and lifestyle around that role

and position and then figured out that

this is not working.

So as we go around this, as we are

working through this, be sure to always

have a very clear side that whether your

passion is really your passion and

otherwise adjust it.

Because in the end, if you think about

it, we are going to school or primary

education, including whatever degree you

are pursuing until typically at least

around 2020, somewhere between 20 and 25.

Considering retirement, somewhere between

65 and 70, because that's reality, you

have more or less 40 years to make up

enough money for your retirement.

Again, a good point if you actually make

your passion your job. I know enough

business leaders who are far above 70 and

are still not necessarily actively

working, but doing advisory works, board

roles and other things.

Not board roles primarily for the money,

but board roles because they want to give

other people something back and they just

don't want to sit at home all the time.

So that could also be

a very good scenario.

But yeah, so summing it up, if you are

constantly complaining about your daily

job role and if you're thinking about

when is it going to be Friday evening

again so that you can stop your job, then

you are most likely in the wrong job.

Figure out what your passion

is, figure out how to do it.

When you are talking about your passion

and especially if you want to make up

your own company and if you want to build

up your own company,

never do it for the money.

Because if you're trying to do that,

trust me, I have not seen many people be

very successful with that. Majority of

people miserably fail.

The other thing and the other excuse

which a lot of people always tend to do

is only successful company owners and

stuff like that are people who come from

a family with money and stuff like that.

When I look through my network is yes,

potentially some come from families with

money or something

else or with background.

But that doesn't necessarily mean it's

easier because in many cases that doesn't

mean you immediately get

money or anything else.

So it's not necessarily easier.

Those who basically get all funding

initially from their family or something

else and who do not need to give

something up for that typically fail

within the first

seven to 10 years maximum.

Most of them even within the first three

years, if not money and they are

constantly pushing money in.

But then it's not a successful business.

So that's more or less it for this

episode of the just

chatting episode twenty seven.

We talked about the topic,

job choice, money or passion.

We are going to focus the next few weeks

a bit more on another topic which I'm

passionate about just because I released

a chapter together with a good friend of

mine, Tracy and Parma.

I wrote a book and I was able to

participate with one chapter.

The title of the chapter is different,

but I'm going to run a few sessions in

the next couple of weeks about

the topic, decide or go home.

And this is really about decision making

processes and things like that, because

that is something basically more or less

fits into the money

versus passion scenario.

Because the when you're passionate about

something, you can take the decision and

then you can also take the decision to

give up something else.

And that's more or less

how it falls together.

So moving forward, really think about if

you're especially if you are in Germany

or somewhere where there is a big holiday

today, if you're feeling already sad

about going back to your job tomorrow

morning, then better think twice and

better revisit if you are in the correct

job and find something

you're more passionate about.

And as said, one of the next topics I

will do a few short intro videos on the

different platforms about it is going to

be around the topic, decide or go home

for the next few weeks.

And if you want to have any discussions

around the BNBevar.com utilize one of the

other videos, we have our regular

webinars and stuff like that.

I currently did not cover

that into today's session.

I will try to look it up in the comments

later on to again and try to get back to

the one or two people who actually wrote

something about the topic

and get you an answer on those.

That being said, I have a wonderful

remaining bank holiday if you have one.

Good start into the day if you are in the

US and hope to see you

again soon on this channel.

And also make sure to subscribe to any of

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podcast so that you're always up to date.

Thank you and goodbye.